Sitting in November last year in a refugee camp in the grounds of Baghdad University, set up for the families who fled or were driven from Fallujah, this resident of the city's Jolan district told me how he had witnessed some of the battle's heaviest fighting. "We have had some very important successes getting individual terrorists. The USA has skirted international restrictions using depleted uranium, WP and napalm to destroy dug-in enemies. Go nuts and shake the fucker. Fuck them. Can you confirm 'Shake and Bake' fire missions were executed on Fallujah ? What is the point of this continual drone that you all are making?? War Child UK And it just seemed that they always told the Army's side of the story in return for that protection. The last thing they want is to be in a court-martial. Was Fallujah declared a free fire zone, if it moves it's a valid target, even though non-combatants were still within the city ? ", Would it be easier to believe if the following humanitarian organisation signed a statement including: “While many ordinary people were able to escape Fallujah before the latest attack started, there are still many thousands of civilians here” .... “There is an urgent need for the protection of civilians living in this battle-ground. Global Research Using that gun to defend against an burgler may be okay. Sadly, nothing will come of it though ... Posted by: Outraged | Nov 15 2005 22:18 utc | 94. But I think the broader story is really quite awful. Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 12 2005 0:46 utc | 86. "We used improved WP for screening missions when HC smoke would have been more effective and saved our WP for lethal missions" ? It is a conventional weapon. Simply because we deem we are accountable to no one but ourselves. . Or are those McDonald's cheeseburgers too good to give up? Anyway there was a volume on the Pacific Theatre with a chapter on Okinawa. So just like Vietnam, the USA fights the Iraq Insurrection on the cheap. @monolycus "I just had a horrible epiphany earlier about the watchlists. I do ask that you remember this though. On this Veteran's Day, I am thanking no one. Lieutenant Colonel Dave Bellon, of the First Regimental Combat Team, told the Globe that "You have to say 'Here are the rules,' and you are firm and fair. The civilians were cleared out of fallujah. That convention was ratified by the United  States in 1997. The US Department of Defense or the US Army and the US Marine Corps? For this reason it is capable of dissolving the body parts with which it comes into contact, the mucous tissues being the most exposed to its effects. Unequivical enough ? This (incredible stupidid) distincting is what makes this important. By the way, this news has "shocked" my significant other here Especially typical used on enemy forces 'dug-in' in bunkers, foxholes, trenches, fortified buildings. We fired “shake and bake” missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.". what kind of marine would leave negative@negative.com as an address? However, the convention explicitly details that they are not exclusive of any form of toxic chemical re warfare/combat usage. The ones who wail against the war yet continue to support the machine that wages them. We have taken 'force protection' too far. There must be something we can do, surely there is something....Please, if you had any ideas about how to get the story out, please mention them. the bronze will be used up and it will go grey, blue, sometimes almost black- the solvent. 20,000 died at the battle of Okinawa. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person. Joking and rousting each other like boys just seconds before, the men were instantly all business. erhaps you would like to thank them for the folly that was korea. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 10 2005 4:04 utc | 20. What was the name of that corporation run by some Englishman which defence was putting zillions into? For God's sake, Outraged, you can hardly take a shit - never mind plan and execute an operation - without it having been legally vetted and cleared ahead of time by the busy vetters and clearers. combustibility. www.globalresearch.ca contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 19:06 utc | 57. And Bush's mounting political woes at home have undermined the chance for any bold U.S. initiatives to address the grim social realities that feed Islamic radicalism, they say. JVC: Japan International Volunteer I doubt that even the equivalent of a Tet offensive in Vietnam would now be sufficient to break the trance. You ignorant piece of shit. A United States Marine:"It's kind of hard to imagine that someone would be FORCED to stay in when all the leaflets told you to get out. I'll move on with it when the last soldier occupying Iraq moves on, reparations are paid, an apology is delivered and the mass-murdering criminals who engineered this insanity are brought to justice. I'll be honest, you can't. a man's army marches on its stomach, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 12 2005 0:42 utc | 85. no u s marine, i am afraid as outraged & others point out -- your comments here are unsupported by the evidence & i also remember that the nvra also called those things 'shake & bake', one regular poster here - who is no friend of my positions (& who is a friend o the us army having worked & with family)- but whom i regard very seriouslly indeed - would also have problems with your 'evidence' & your absence of knowledge, & strangely for such a 'subjective' response to b's post - i read your posts very much as 'official policy' - however you are as outraged says, welcome, but i think a little more honesty is in order, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 11 2005 18:56 utc | 55, danr jamail's work is of the utmost importance, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 11 2005 18:58 utc | 56. After about 15 to 20 minutes let it sit still after you shake it, watching the solvent ,that is now a healthy grey chocolate milk looking sob.Let it sit still for 3 to five minutes watching at the top of the solvent line for the solvent to clear up.. Firing on clearly marked Red Cross and Red Crescent ambulances is a crime. Posted by: annie | Nov 11 2005 17:13 utc | 44. I am moving. Cause jeez 'Ali Baba' certainly aint gonna be stealing anything from my house, cause my house is just a big charred and empty crater. "Well, shit on that dumbness, George W. Bush does not speak for me or my son or my mother or my friends or the people I respect in this world. The associated torture photos being shown on RAI 3 are equally gruesome, and perhaps even worse since one has the feeling that this sort of thing Whatever the bona fides of the marine it really is difficult to see much purpose in having a dialogue with this perp. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. It is their country not yours and they will do what they will do there. You apparently forgot to close an HTML tag. And so is the Administration. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. Severing heads of civilians and posting the videos is a crime. Depending on their skills, they would be assigned jobs in construction, waterworks, or rubble-clearing platoons. Didn't they specialise in 'correcting' anything on the interweb that may cast repugs in a less than favorable light? This guy just seems to want to air his Weltbild and reads to me like many of the USGI's I have discussed things over a few drinks with. Outraged, that was my point: WP IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON. I guess you would never understand considering you have no idea what a privelage it is to live in the United States, even though I'm currently in Japan. Another report on mortar fire from an embedded reporter of the North County Times says. Do you consider Fallujah's population suffered collective punishment for the acts of some insurgents, an act in breach of the Laws of War and the Geneva Conventions ?Not at all. Can you confirm 'Shake and Bake' fire missions were executed on Fallujah ? Under a sub-heading entitled "Shake 'n' bake" he continued: 'Gun up!' military specifications sheets (Document ID: MIL-DTL-60477B(3)) The occupation apparently has high hopes for these measures. 90% ? We get the point, already.... ! And even if it did, for the reasons explained here and in other threads it would be relatively easy for the administration to deflect and obscure the International Law and treaty (convention) legal issues, which only leaves the matter of the humanist, moral argument. erhaps you would like to thank them for the folly that was korea, i cannot tell whehter you would be thankful for the veterans of the russian armies that stopped fascism, or of the veterans of the lincoln brigade who went to fight against fascism completely outside any form of self interest, would you thank the many thousands of american who went all over the americas to really help those people against their tyrannies who were supported completely by a state dept that has only their own interests at heart, if you expect me to change my tune soandso - i am sorry that i will not be forthcoming - the more i witness of this war & this war above all others - the mockery of humanity that governments do on 'rememberance days' will only make me, sicker, so the drone will continue - you are not obliged to listen to it as i pass over your implicit suggestions in silence, Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 22:54 utc | 70, Posted by: Tantalus | Nov 11 2005 23:24 utc | 71. B, my apologies for having encouraged the wasted bandwidth. However, the CCW also applies to any weapon that would otherwise be considered 'conventional' when it meets the definitions re 'toxic chemical' and actual employment (method of warfare) by utilization of its chemical properties. Become Member of We had a limited supply of ammo. I mean it seems everyone knew that the first anniversary of the rape of Fallujah was coming around but the department of defence who may have been distracted by their attempt to get torture properly legitimised. - Peter Kaiser, Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (audio). If we blame and seek out the leaders of Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden et al, as primarily responsible for the crimes of their foot-soldiers in order to serve justice ... then who has command responsibility for the actions of the foot-soldier grunt, trooper or jarhead ? We didn't vote for these cheap, greedy little killers who speak for America today -- and we will not vote for them again in 2002. The 'elephant' exists in many forms ... some of us can be clinical about a topic like this whereas others cannot. What is important here is the effect on the (esp. Despite an early victory over the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, the two former Clinton administration officials say President George W. Bush's policies have created a new haven for terrorism in Iraq that escalates the potential for Islamic violence against Europe and the United States. Posted by: Noisette | Nov 11 2005 19:44 utc | 60, people like dahr jamail & there are others, many others including those working for red crescent who are revealing to our world the nature of operations in all their soridd splendour, those who would like to hide the facts just double the crime because as in my lai - the truth has a way of exerting itself even in the darkest of circumstances, but people like dahr - help the truth along at great risk to themselves staying very far way from the green zone & the publicity machines of the empire, it is a moment in human history where the truth is needed out of all measure, (& in this regard noisette - i admire your posts but the inclusion the other night of a nazi site - does you or us no honour - the truth itself is so ugly we do not need the vagaries of vulgar anti semitism - the socialism of the stupid, the great majority of us are able to criticise fundamentally the policies of israel & their propogandist without reaching into the blood & mud of anti semitism), Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 19:52 utc | 61. It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets. War is an atrocity. ", Posted by: catlady | Nov 10 2005 0:50 utc | 7, Ran a news query re fallujah and the uruknet article (query)">http://www.uruknet.info/%3Fp%3Dm17621%26date%3D09-nov-2005_19:10_ECT">query). Respectfully suggest you reread the CCW block-quotes re my 9:29 PM post. You really have no clue about the world around you. & on veterans day - what would you like to thank your fellow vets for - the illegal interventions in panama or grenada, the absolutely inhumane complicity in the massacres & misfeance in haiti, would you like to thank them for training latin american dictators, or would you like to thank them yet another illegal war in south east asia where more than 3million lost their lifes. Intended at least to kill and Biological weapons Non-Proliferation '' ( Macmillan 1999. Be forced to stay during Katrina slowly in agony over days the would! 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