I think word/letter spacing will become the best option. 100 email notifications in my inbox. To me it seems that removing the closing tags should not resolve this issue (that is, the spaces should not go away). By using -ve space it will break in IE as you said before. I’ll put something meaningless and invisible underneath them so the floor knows they exist.” - A … I’ve poked a bit with display: table and came up with a solution for fixin this as you can see here. If you want to increase the spacing even more, we just insert a greater value into the line-height attribute. Negative margins always feel wrong in some way to me, margins get a lot get for positioning everything layouts, I never see them as a very elegant solution. Then, what was perfect can now be broken. You can also see how Firefox is different from Chrome here: Chrome v Firefox for space rendering. It’s even easier when used with LESS. Just get rid of the space between the elements (either literally doing it or using a comment) and you’re done. Using negative margin too, think that’s best because you are actually adjusting the elements position. The spacing IS preserved, but as a single space IN the element . Well… you kinda can but it’s weird. vertical-align: top; Instead of breaking up the tag on multiple lines, i prefer this syntax: The first one is exactly what I do! Seems pretty decent. Nearly all developers use float rather than inline-block. I noticed that all the solutions under “Remove the spaces” cause html minifiers to break the fix. Add CSS ¶ Set the justify-content property to "space-around" for the.flex2 element. How do I Increase/Decrease the Space Between Paragraphs on a Web Page (CSS) by Christopher Heng, thesitewizard.com. Use the box-sizing property to keep the width at 300px, no matter the (, This comment thread is closed. I have been avoiding inline-block for a long time because of IEs and hate to use zoom fix. ... (CSS spacing properties) to add the spacing you need. It’s that simple. I do it day-in day-out in the most complex web applications. But, by using font size 0. is just one thing we need to do. Leaving off the closing tag looks like the most elegant solution to me (though I wasn’t even aware it was allowed!). You just can’t center them like you can by text-align: center; the parent of inline-block elements. In other words:

. So what it comes down to, as Chris said, is the space between elements. Here’s the big reveal: I rarely ever have to deal with the whitespace issue discussed here, and that’s because it’s easy to design interfaces that don’t require zero whitespace between elements. Beautifully simple techniques to fix it! The related posts above were algorithmically generated and displayed here without any load on our servers at all, thanks to Jetpack. The way I used to handle it is not to apply the shift for the first element via the :first-child selector. I’m also not sure if Chrome allows for zero font-size, at least it didn’t use to allow it. I’d recommend using the comment method, avoiding carriage returns between elements or just avoid designing elements that are dependent on zero white-space — it’s easier than you think. you increase the padding, the available content space will decrease. This would be the list if the line-height is adjusted to 400%: Take Out the Garbage. All the padding properties can have the following values: length - specifies a padding in px, pt, cm, etc. As we know the table's cellpadding and cellspacing attributes are removed in HTML5.. This should be a no brainer. CSS-Tricks is created by Chris and a team of swell people. display: table; I believe pad/phone sites done sized w/ media queries are sucessfully done via inline-block. I was going to say the same thing! Maybe I’m just old fashioned…, The only way that I know of to do centered navigation (without knowing the final width) is to use ul { text-align: center; } and li { display: inline-block; }, Great tip, I also use the negative margin technique. Sometimes the font size in browsers that do not comply. Floats for this purpose are a hack. My parameters for coding an inline-block collapsing whitespace fix were: – No pixel resetting of fonts. There is an easy not well known way to avoid spaces between inline-blocks, and is this: Yea I know it’s terrible, but it’s the fastest solution out there. It works without external plugins, so you can use it on Github Pages. line-height works differently. So yes, removing spaces between the tags solve the issues immediatly. (Chrome 18.0.1025, Mac OS X 10.7.3). Here’s my version… for responsive layouts… with shorthand… converted to a common denominator. Negative margin breaks here (Firefox 13 on linux) The negative margin should also present problems because not all browsers calculate the white-space exactly the same. It’s even worse when you enlarge the font. Let’s suppose that we have an element, the spacing within it is inner, and the spacing outside it is an outer spacing. Worst case scenario, just use floats, but I’ll tell you that I use floats so infrequently, that I’ve nearly forgotten how to clear them :). The border-spacingproperty may be specified as either one or two values. This property applies only when border-collapse is separate. If an li needs a hover state, just give that li a different background, leaving the others with none. I’ve seen this come up a couple of times lately on Twitter and then an interesting Dabblet so I figured it would be an important thing to document. – Comments: it works well for pure HTML, any other way to generate HTML becomes hard to write/maintain. I’ll try it out in my current project. My cross-browser testing is very easy, and everything is as it should be, the world is right. Thanks for your explanation. Here’s the deal: a series of inline-block elements formatted like you normally format HTML will have spaces in between them. IE9). Is there a way (CSS or any other) of sliding all previous stories down? I use a background image encapsulated into AP divs. Regarding the gap, I definitely will have a look at the font-size trick in the future. Better results can be achieved with double font resizing but this solution is harder to implement and is code specific. It also doesn’t work in Safari 5.0. I don’t put those closing tags in there for the browser, they are for me when I’m reading the code :-), So the issue is called “bike shedding” and in CSS3 there will be a property to fix this as the spec calls for. : I’ve submited bugreport to webkit bugzilla in September 2011. for setting the padding for each side of an element (top, right, bottom, and left). Or, maybe I’m just crazy :P, The negative-margin solution is actually not accurate, the exact number depends on font-size and font-family. This is equivalent to the cellspacing attribute in presentational HTML, but an optional second value can be used to set different horizontal and vertical spacing. The element is closed on the occurrence of the next (or element. I hope this helps. Thanks a lot for the idea of using rem units to restore the ability to resize the font of inline-blocks after zero-fonr trick! I just don’t design layouts that rely on zero space between elements. If you are using a html minifier, you don’t have any white space issues. But, you can still set padding inside the table cells easily using the CSS padding property. The YUI 3 CSS Grids use letter-spacing and word-spacing on their grid container to collapse white-space between the grid units. I’ve even shown how to do it with one left and one right. Now for some applications this is fine, but when it comes down to pixel perfect layout mo-jo, it has a few downsides: 1. Add space between divs by using a margin, and it will still fit! You speak of designing knowing inline-block will be used: I surely hope you don’t mean you’re basing your designs on the use of inline-block rather than what the UX / branding / design calls for. A dumb move by W3C and WHATWG. Afaik, there seems to be at least two ways: One is to use a custom font with spaces character of zero width; should be working fine and I think we can easily add a custom whitespace, in the case we are already using a font via @font-face. Set the top padding There’s actually a really easy way to remove whitespace that’s both easy and semantic. word-spacing: -5px; } Right now I use a negative margin (but I use em instead of px for obvious reasons) and I don’t bother too much about pixel perfection. The actual space created between elements is just an invisible character, and if the font size is 0 the actual character will disappear. Add style=”float:left” to the image. So what is really “stricter”? font-size: 0 is a completely unusable solution if you want to use ems or % in any of your child elements. This is how I do it. For example, you can always be sure that any TABLE element will have at least one TBODY child, any other option is impossible by design. – Breaking the tags: I really hate this.. seems to me broken HTML… I don’t even use word wrap because of that You get a smiley. You’re right. This example demonstrates how to set the left padding of a

element. Maybe they don’t need to be inline-block at all, maybe they can just be floated one way or another. But, great workarounds nonetheless for those that need them! It’s called a custom font with zero-width spaces. padding-right. It’s advisable to use margin-right: -.25em; instead of 4px. If we were to add some content before or after the space character, then you will have to put a white-space between the content and the special character. When you work with CSS Grid, a heavenly property becomes available: grid-gap. Inline-blocks are just so convenient for that, but if there is a way I can do it with floats, I’d love to know how. I stay away from all CSS methods because of browser inconsistencies. See here: jsFiddle. What most don’t realize is most of your time consumed with cross-browser debugging is *because* of floats. That is why I prefer the ‘word-spacing’ method. The font size thing look a good solution but I wonder about what google does if it sees font-size:0? All I do is include all inline-block rules as inline in an ie6-7 file in an if statement. When a type of font triggers a space between elements that measures 0.25em, then it *should* remain 0.25em even when the font-size is increased. I know I’m doing it wrong with absolute AP Divs by moving them downwards every time a new story comes in. For example, in IE 7-9 Seems the less tricky. Here’s my complicated solution: http://nerd.vasilis.nl/remove-whitespace-inline-block/, Its a problem I used to come across all the time when doing nav bars, was kicking myself when I realised what what the problem was…. good job justin :) i love this part ‘Skip the closing tag’, ul { I use inline-block with close and open tags butting up to one another. Since I usually develop in frameworks or at least not pure HTML, having my code to write the output inlined as it doesn’t output the spaces or line-breaks between tags and it also “compress” a little =D – Float: prefer not to use if possible (I even try to change the CSS framework to inline-block when possible) I use float instead of inline-block, and for exactly the same reasons as Daniel and ian do. In my opinion, from using inline-block for so long, is avoid designs that are dependent on zero white-space (it’s easier than you think) or just use the comment method or no carriage return. This works as long as you don’t care about support for Windows safari and will be supported in all other versions of browsers currently supported inline-block. Funky formatting and extraneous CSS feels hackish. Minimized HTML will solve this problem, or one of these tricks: They’re all pretty funky, but it does the trick. I think we should cooperate to get the best possible solution without changing code style. Notice that we’ve added space by adding margin-right: 20px to just the first .flex-child element. I have an example for this here, just look at the HTML: jsFiddle. I had a moment today to do some cross-browser testing of my code. Floats need clearfixes (how many do we need again for the different browsers?) Thanks. zipped zero-width space font (click File > Download to save to your computer). How to set table cellpadding and cellspacing in CSS. I have been a float guy and guess i really need to switch. They were long-supported feature of HTML2-4, implemented in all existing browser engines. Here’s the link – http://liep2vsk.edu.lv/Aktualitates.php. after 15 years of obsessively closing everything in sight, the idea of omitting the closing tag made be feel a bit queasy :) that subsides quickly. I do float the elements, it works, but other solutions mentioned in this article sounds great, too. In CSS, it’s possible do the spacing as below: Removing the spaces in the HTML is a sinch if your view only echos HTML and no leading or trailing whitespace. Correct methood is removal of whitespace in the html markup at whatever methood you feel looks best. I’m gonna try ur suggestions now If you don’t want spaces between words than simply remove them in the HTML. I just don’t like the idea of leaving out closing tags and am not looking forward to working with code where they are left out just because they can be. The CSS padding properties are used to generate space around Tutorials, references, and examples are constantly reviewed to avoid errors, but we cannot warrant full correctness of all content. There is lots of information in the README, so I won’t go into details here. This is probably the simplest way I have seen to combat white-space. I can't change the style sheet, but I can apply inline properties to the div. Could someone e-mail the link on how to avoid whitespaces between news blocks in Dreamweaver? Place the image in a block element with a style=”font-size:2px” (or lower)9 мая 2018 г. If using zoom is your main complaint, then don’t fret! In our case, to solve the space between list items, you must set font size 0 to main

    and another normal font size (14 … Floats are limited (cannot be line-wrapped like inline elements as well as easily centered). Optional closing tags are not new invention. I call this the “this seems too easy, it feels like I’m cheating…” phenomenon among the web creative. The greater the value added, the more spacing is given in between list items. content area is the portion inside the padding, border, and margin of an element Here’s the deal: a series of inline-block elements formatted like you normally format HTML will have spaces in between them. My friends, what alternatives are there? With inline-block, there are two issues that can come up (this article address one), they are predictable and their solutions are easy. use all li’s in one line then the magical margin will not appear , actually the margin comes when you write the html code and do enter after each li the new line makes the magical margin, That 0px font-size trick looks pretty cool…, Leaving off closing tags is like running across the beach naked. I knew the negative space and floating thing. } padding properties: Use the padding shorthand property with four values: If the padding property has three values: Use the padding shorthand property with three values: Use the padding shorthand property with two values: Use the padding shorthand property with one value: The CSS width property specifies the width of the element's content area. You know what is 100% bullet-proof? Strangely, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter use float for this article and Twitter uses float to layout a page. This very, very simple work-around gets inline-block working all the way down to IE6 and is only presented to the very browsers that need it. I just put float them, put them in a div and set the divs position to relative, set its width and set margin to auto (so that they can be centred). I prefer HTML document to be syntactically standalone, generally without need for any tag-name dictionaries to parse it. Remove whitespaces between HTML tags. It’s interesting to see other options for when I’m working with someone else’s code and they did it one of the other ways. Suit to taste. – Apply inline-block but remove whitespace between them universally, unobtrusively and across browsers and platforms. Yep. Omitting closing tags is somewhat nonsemantical and therefore unsuitable for some perfectionists (like me ;-). And, it’s almost always within large sections concerning layouts that are never dynamically manipulated, so it’s never really an issue. The horra! Add horizontal space between children Control the horizontal space between elements using the space-x- … I’d be quite annoyed if I had to go in after your code, Justin, to fix or make alterations to your elements. Shouldn’t we be compressing HTML to remove unneeded white space anyway? I hope it helps you with your future development. Done too much style support for IE6 wayback so never got acquianted with inline-block. Negative margin has always been the way I’ve gone – it maintains semantics, code structure and keeps the ‘fix’ directly associated with the object. There are too many wish-washy developers out there with sub par development techniques, so you’ll have to excuse me for questioning the validity of a hack given those on the forefront of these specs don’t bother wasting their time with it. It’s funny, I’ve been using the inline-block method exclusively for many many years, and rarely do I worry about the white-space issue. Once you “convert” over, your development time will noticebly decrease. Inline block elements are a bit tricky and it’s nice to see different approaches to remove the spaces. I don’t want to have to hunt for where the next beginning / ending tag is over and over — not to mention having to deal with code generated dynamically where adjusting the white space may be more of a nightmare than anything else. When I do have the issue, I just use the comment method. Omitting the closing tags should be exactly the same result as including them. Talkin’ about rem, letter-spacing, white-space, and the future : text-space-collapse. You want spaces between words that you type to be spaces right? Even the name “float” suggests a lack of real place and control of the elements in question. but that makes the code really unmanageable. When using inline-block, aligning the elements left, right or center is extremely easy. Once you've selected the space character you wish to insert, simply add it using the following CSS code: div::after { content: '\00a0'; } Adding Content Before or After the Space Character. Removing the space the spaces is a brilliant and yet so stupidly simple (at least for me). By default, flex items will all try to fit onto one line. This article answers that question. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? @Taurif I’m almost certain that the spacing is dependent on the font being used and how that font is displayed by the browser. Since I can’t use floats for the specific markup I have, I went with DRaev’s solution, because it looks clean and it’s very readable. So (especially when having large paddings), this is not (easily) visible. but the negative margin fix doesnt work on Chrome either!! Great topic. Maybe this comes in handy some time. for me, less code is better. This has bugged me to no end for a long time. Basically you define display: table on the parent element (in your first example this is nav). This is a valid way to produce the same effect as table's cellpadding … }. It specifies the distance between the borders of adjacent cells. You can scoot the elements back into place with negative 4px of margin (may need to be adjusted based on font size of parent). I only use this when the list items need to be centered though. The padding property is a shorthand property for the following individual 1. Because of this “bug” I almost always use floats instead of inline-blocks (and a little bit because of IE7), but the former just feels “wrong”. At least that works in all browsers and doesn’t resort to crazy font-size hacks, or unholy open tags, etc. In fact, optional tags are a big advantage of HTML because they just provide several correct ways to mark up the same robust and predictable DOM structure. Sometimes you need a bit of space between two elements on the same line, e.g. Here’s a download to the font I just cooked up in font-forge with the css @font-face declaration included. Plus, the overflow: hidden method for floats seems like a hack because it certainly isn’t logical behavior for CSS. I do it all the time. “There are more bad developers than good … ”, “I surely hope you don’t mean you’re basing your designs on the use of inline-block rather than what the UX / branding / design calls for.”. but It was uncomfortable with the solution though! A space that has zero font-size is… zero width. Don’t know if someone already mentioned this. ;-). It’s not always pretty but it is the closest to the behaviour desired – no spaces. I try to always use inline-block, as it is in a sense, more semantic than float and also it doesn’t break any flow nor I need to add clearfix and such. @Landis and @Julian: You guys may want to reconsider the negative margin technique. – Opera 11.64 Ubuntu This example demonstrates how to set the bottom padding of a

    element. The border-spacing property is used to set the spaces between cells of a table and border-collapse property is used to specify … Unfortunately there’s an issue with Safari for windows where font-size:0 is not respected for whitespace, rendering the otherwise easiest solution of setting font-size on the parent element. I owe you a beer at least! However, the actual width of the

    element will be 350px (300px + I’d love to see some examples of your websites where you’ve designed “knowing inline-block will be used”. Thank you for this topic!! /zoom: 1; I also think it’s better to use the HTML way (no carriage return or HTML comments) because every CSS method rely on browser inconsistencies, which is as we know, not very reliable. This example demonstrates how to set the right padding of a

    element. this litle space is the only issue, i use the ident method to correct the problem. When I’m sticking a bunch of stuff on the same line, I usually stick the code on the same line also. I prefer the jQuery method as it is font independent. =D Nice! all the time, and they cause the majority of cross-browser inconsistencies. I hope they’ll fix it eventually. Well, most of what I do is under NDA and behind firewalls, but you’re more than welcome to visit Ka-Prow Bistro to see one of my few public clients. For equal spacing around every flex item, use the value space-around. This great man! This solution isn’t bulletproof because it counts on three assumptions: the width of the space equal to 0.31em (nearly true for Arial/Helvetica, but false for Times New Roman etc. Just use text-align! be added to the total width of the element. Either way, the fix is so much easier than everyone is making it out. Add style=”float:right” to the image. I guess it’s assuming that the elements are butting up against each other, but that doesn’t seem right, especially if the new list item starts on the next line. thanks! Of cours the first option is XML-incompatible, but it’s only about syntax, not semantics :). When two values are specified, the first value defines the horizontal spacing between cells (i.e., the space between cells in adjacent columns), and the second value defines the vertical spacing between cells (i.e., the space between cells in adjacent rows).

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